innovativecat got a reaction from ytladi2 in How do YOU count?
This is true. Using the exact Filipino translation for time, age and currency is very formal and usually being used only during formal writing or events. People will find you weird if you speak to them using the exact translation in Filipino.
innovativecat got a reaction from Saholy in I can't imagine my life without you - in all languages
Δεν μπορώ να φανταστώ τη ζωή χωρίς εσένα = Den Boro na fantasto ti zoi horis esena
That's how you read it. It's greek. I speak a little. Hahaha! In our language, Hindi ko lubos maisip ang magiging buhay ko kung wala ka.
innovativecat reacted to polybus in Most frequent Chinese Characters
There is a frequency dictionary of Chinese characters here: http://lingua.mtsu.edu/chinese-computing/statistics/char/list.php?Which=MO.
I have had mixed results trying to learn this way. In one way it makes perfect sense to learn the most common characters first, rather than characters you never see. I have found it difficult to learn from big lists like this though. Maybe it'll help someone else.
innovativecat reacted to Chris_A in Languages vs mathematics
I can totally relate to what you said @anna3101. Maths was the most hated subject in school for me, and thankfully I only had it until the 10th grade, because I was on a humanities specialization during high school. Chemistry is another topic I will never ever totally understand. Physics is quite OK if you put your mind into learning it properly. But the fact remains that some people are naturally talented to master either humanities or sciences. And I`m definitely not a sciences person.
innovativecat reacted to linguaholic in How many kanji do you know?
I know about 2000-2500 chinese characters, therefore I know about the same amount of Kanji :=) Still, as I am not very familiar with Japanese and Hiragana/Katakana, I am not very good when it comes to guess the meaning of Japanese texts. :frozen:
innovativecat reacted to foolsgold in Mahal Kita: is there something more personal?
Mahal kita is straightforward and really brings home the emotions you want to convey. It's the main reason why there aren't a lot of alternatives (the ones mentioned above are too formal). What I can suggest is instead of saying I love you, say why you love that person or mention a specific thing. So instead of "Mahal kita", you can say that you appreciate this person's X (Sobrang pinapahalagahan ko ang X or lubos akong natutuwa or Talagang na-aappreciate ko kapag..")
innovativecat reacted to g2narat in My Indonesian friend isn't having a hard time learning Tagalog...
I guess it's understandable that neighboring countries learn each other's languages easily. A perfect example of this is my Indonesian friend who didn't take any formal classes to learn Tagalog. He's only been in the Philippines for a couple of months but he can already converse well. It helps that a lot of the Indonesian and Tagalog words are the same like anak, sukat, tali, sakit to name a few. Have you or a friend had a similar experience with a neighboring country?
innovativecat got a reaction from anna3101 in Learning French through Songs
I love listening to French songs and I'm slowly learning new words and their proper pronunciation. I love listening to Celine Dion and Emmanuel Moire. I remember the first french song that I listened to was Mon Essentiel. The melody was so calming and it inspired me to learn French.
innovativecat reacted to BWL in Learning French through Songs
One of the most effective ways to learn a language is through music. For me, while I was learning French by myself as a teenager, one of the first songs I heard was the incredibly beautiful "La Corrida" by Francis Cabrel (which also has lyrics in Spanish, by the way).
What French songs have you listened to that were useful to you while learning the language?
innovativecat got a reaction from Language-Student in Studying Chinese Characters // Study Approach // Methods // Techniques
I sometimes get bored writing them down. To test my mastery, I'm taking a chinese article from the internet and encircle all familiar characters that I recognized. Is it really important to write characters, step by step? My chinese tutor told me to write it in a more convenient way as following the radicals could be confusing and more difficult. Is there a hidden reason for following the radicals?
innovativecat reacted to linguaholic in Studying Chinese Characters // Study Approach // Methods // Techniques
How do you learn/memorize Chinese Characters / Study Methods of Chinese Characters
There are of course several ways of Studying Chinese characters. Maybe the most common way is to simply write down the characters over and over again until you memorize them. I would call this the „classical approach“. Another method, formerly introduced by Dr. W Heisig, is memorising the characters with help of a so called „imaginative memory“. Each Chinese Character and each radical are associated with a keyword A Chinese Characters written form and its keyword are associated by imagining a scene or story connecting the meaning of the given character with the meanings of all the primitives/radicals used to write the Chinese character.
This method requires that the student needs to invent his very own stories to associate the keyword meaning wit the character in written form. However, at the beginning of his book „Remembering the Hanzi“, the stories are already made (to give you a good start). At a later stage, you will need to invent your own stories though.
It is indeed a very interesting approach and I used this method a few years ago to learn 800 Hanzi. I was able to memorize all of them in just 3 weeks. However, a few month later I forgot most of the characters and I got sick of making up stories. Still, I do believe that this method can work out fine and it was, especially at the beginning, a lot of fun :=)
PS: Of course, when using the „classical approach“, you might want to study all the radicals first. This will help you a lot to understand the „construction“ and the meaning of the characters. Also it will help you to memorise the written form (it’s logical; all the characters include radicals).
innovativecat reacted to Miya in Studying Chinese Characters // Study Approach // Methods // Techniques
I don't really have any technique on memorizing how to read and write Chinese characters, but I think it really helps to turn on Chinese subtitles when you're watching Chinese movies. You will slowly be able to remember those characters that keep popping up.
As for writing, I strongly recommend getting one of those Chinese character notebooks with the squares. Those are really helpful in making my characters straight and with those notebooks, you will notice your mistakes faster because everything is so aligned.
innovativecat reacted to Language-Student in Studying Chinese Characters // Study Approach // Methods // Techniques
I have to suggest another completely different method now. This method is really quite ingenious and can get you learning more Chinese characters and words and even expressions faster than anything. It's also very devious and you need to prepare yourself for some of the possible side-effects.
The method itself is quite simple to implement. It involves changing the language settings on your computer over to Mandarin and let the fun begin! This can also be a good time to learn how to swear properly in Chinese. Yet another level of complexity is added when someone else does this for you in such a way that you cannot figure out how to switch it back!
innovativecat reacted to James H. in Studying Simplified Chinese Characters or Traditional Chinese Characters
Traditional or Simplified Chinese Characters
I am wondering what would be better for me: Studying Simplified Chinese Characters or the traditional Script.. Is studying traditional characters much more difficult than studying the simplified one’s? What are you studying and why? really can’t make a decision. 8)
innovativecat reacted to 宇崎ちゃん in Language goals for 2016
I made a major change again (and hopefully it's the last change).
I decided to save Chinese for last and learn Russian + Spanish now.
The main reason is because I'm already learning Kanji and once I know all the necessary Kanji, Chinese will become much more accessible to me (especially since all real world learning materials are written in Hanzi (Chinese characters), while I already know the Latin and Cyrillic alphabets).
I used to say I would concentrate on the spoken language only, but now I prefer to concentrate on both spoken and written language.
innovativecat reacted to Nekomimi_mode in Language goals for 2016
I’m so ready for the New Year! I plan on making more pen pals and improving my language. I need to study more Chinese and practice my Japanese. I also plan to formally start learning Korean by taking a class on my college campus. I starting compiling all of my Chinese notes a while back into a huge study guide but I stopped half-way through. I want to finish that out before I start taking more Chinese classes. I don’t think I’ll be taking anymore Japanese classes for now since I’ve been mixing my kanji and Chinese characters up as of late, but once I get my Chinese down I plan to take a Japanese class again. Honestly I also want to focus more harshly on learning characters. I have really been slacking in that regard and so I can speak way more Chinese than I can write. I want to switch over to writing traditional characters as well since I plan to visit Taiwan next year and I heard they don’t use simplified characters. It’ll be hard but I have a whole year to put my plan in action before I come up with another one.
innovativecat reacted to 宇崎ちゃん in Which is harder: Korean, Chinese or Japanese?
That's not entirely true though.
While it's a well known fact that both languages have a totally different grammar (Chinese is similar to English, Japanese is similar to Korean), the Chinese have simplified their characters differently from the Japanese too (like 飲 (Japanese) vs 喝 (Chinese), both mean "to drink").
Not to mention that many of the same characters have a different meaning in both languages (like 勉強, which is "study" (benkyou) in Japanese and "reluctanly" (miǎnqiǎng) in Chinese).
innovativecat reacted to missbookworm in Learning Korean
I used to have Korean classmates in college, and they taught me a little bit about their language. And it's really quite hard. Well, I think for you to be able to know more about it, you have got to immerse yourself in the language experience. You can probably start doing that by watching korean shows and movies. Aside from learning to speak their language, you have got to master their alphabet as well.
innovativecat reacted to sidney in I can't imagine my life without you - in all languages
In Tagalog, it goes like this: "Hindi ko malubos maisip kung ano ang magiging buhay ko pag wala ka."
innovativecat reacted to czarina84 in Great resource for teaching materials for ESL teachers or tutors
This seems very cool. You were right about it being inexpensive. This definitely seems worth it for people learning or teaching ESL.
innovativecat reacted to sillylucy in What does everyone think about swearing in a second language? Good fun? Good practice? Plain offensive? Too tricky?
I do not think that it is offensive to swear in another language. I think it is funny that you are trying to learn a new language and the first words that most people gravitate towards are always the naughty ones. I guess people also don't want to be taken for a fool so they want to know the bad words in case people try to talk about them behind their backs.
innovativecat reacted to Wanda Kaishin in How to start to learn Chinese
I wrote this a while back... Step 1 – Isolated pronunciation Goals: Correctly repeat any single pinyin syllable after hearing it. Read single pinyin syllables out loud with correct pronunciation. Do all this with correct tones and know which tones are being used when you hear them. Expansion: Pronunciation requires special attention in Mandarin because it’s a tonal language, with tone changes (sandhi), and a few sounds westerners aren’t normally accustomed to. I know I’ve said this before, but I’ll say it again here – tones are crucial. If you don’t make a serious effort to get them right before you start conversing, you will probably not be understood. Tones are more important than initials and finals (consonant and vowel sounds); there are regional variations in pronunciation of initials and finals, so natives are used to that fact and will give you some leeway with them. But tones are consistent, meaning there is very little leeway, so it’s more important to get them right. How to do it - working with a pinyin table. There are many available - I’ve picked one at random to work with. Pinyin is made up of initials and finals. Initial + final = syllable. You’ll find out later that each Chinese character (hanzi) has a one syllable pronunciation. The table has all possible syllables; there are about 400. If you click one of the syllables, you get a pop-up with audio for the four different tones. The goal in working with the pinyin table is to be able to pronounce all the syllables correctly in all four tones. There are many ways to do this, so it’s ok to experiment, but always listen to the audio before trying to pronounce a syllable for the first time. Here’s the method I suggest: 1) Select the 1st syllable in the 1st column (a), select the 1st tone, listen, repeat; select the 2nd tone, listen repeat; select the 3rd tone, listen, repeat; select the 4th tone, listen, repeat; pronounce the 1st tone, listen, repeat; pronounce the 2nd tone, listen, repeat; pronounce the 3rd tone, listen, repeat; pronounce the 4th tone, listen, repeat. 2) Select 2nd syllable in the 1st column (ba), and repeat step 1. After completing the first column, do them over, but only pronounce, listen, repeat. 3) Repeat for the 2nd column. Keep it up for 30min – 2hrs per day. 4) The next day, do it by row instead of columns. You will need to work through the entire table by columns and rows several times to get comfortable reading pinyin. It takes some time to get comfortable reading the pinyin table, probably 10+ hrs. Spreading it out over a couple weeks makes it sink in much better. Reading about and studying pronunciation. After you have finished your dose of pinyin table work for the day, do some reading. First, read this pronunciation guide in Sinosplice. There is a lot to Chinese pronunciation. It’s best to practice it, read about it, and practice it some more, each time trying to incorporate the things you’ve read about. You will always be checking your pronunciation by listening to the table, so try to pay attention and pick out the things that you read about too. After finishing Sinosplice, work your way through the pronunciation module for FSI. This might sound like overkill, but there are actually some things in FSI that aren’t in Sinosplice. Note – for this stage, focus on single syllables; leave multiple syllables and tone rules for later. Practice recognizing tones. After you feel like you are reading single pinyin syllables correctly, it’s time get good at recognizing tones. I recommend using Pinyin Practice. At this stage, just do the single syllable drills. You can come back to combinations later.
innovativecat reacted to zhouhaochen in How to start to learn Chinese
@Wanda yes, very good introduction
However, how you learn it will depend very much on the situation you are in. Are you doing it in or outside of China? Full or part-time? Is your aim to become fluent or survival Chinese? For fun or work?
If you are in China, you will focus much more on sentences you can immediately use, if you want to become fluent you should spend more time building the basics (tones especially) than if you just want to quick and dirty get to basic communication abilities etc.